How do I fix a compression joint that weeps?
Why the olive is doing all the work, the one quarter turn that usually cures a weep, and how to redo a joint that will not seal.
- Difficulty
- intermediate
- Time
- 45 min
- Read
- 3 min
- Safety
- caution
Short answer
Try one quarter turn with two spanners first — supporting the fitting so you are not twisting the pipe. If it still weeps, isolate, take the joint apart, fit a new olive on a clean square pipe end, and remake it. Never keep tightening; past a point the olive deforms and the joint gets worse.
A compression joint seals when a soft brass olive is crushed between the nut and a tapered seat. It is a very reliable joint, and almost every failure comes down to the pipe end, the olive, or how hard someone tightened it.
Safety
What you'll need
- Two adjustable spanners
- New olives of the correct size
- A pipe slice and a deburring tool
- Jointing compound or PTFE tape
- Cloths and a container
Step by step
- Confirm it is the joint and not something above it.Dry everything and put dry paper underneath. Water runs along pipes, so the wet point is often not the source.
- Try one quarter turn.Use two spanners — one holding the fitting body, one on the nut — so the force does not twist the pipe or the fitting. A quarter turn cures a large share of weeping joints.
- Stop if it does not respond.If a quarter turn does not stop it, more force will not either. Beyond that point you are deforming the olive and risking splitting the nut.
- Isolate and drain the pipe.Close the nearest isolating valve or the stopcock, open the outlet, and let the section drain. Container and cloths underneath.
- Take the joint apart.Undo the nut and slide the fitting off. The old olive will usually be stuck to the pipe.
- Inspect the pipe end.It must be round, square-cut, clean and free of scratches along the olive's seat area. A pipe cut with a hacksaw or scored by a grip is a common cause.
- Remove the old olive.Cut carefully along it with a junior hacksaw without scoring the pipe, then split it off. Or cut the pipe back and use a new section with a coupler.
- Fit a new olive.Slide the nut on, then the new olive, then push the pipe fully home into the fitting so it seats against the internal stop.
- Use a little jointing compound.A smear of non-setting jointing compound on the olive helps it seat and seal. PTFE tape wrapped round the olive is a common alternative.
- Tighten to hand-tight plus about one and a quarter turns.That is the usual guidance for 15mm copper. Support the fitting with the second spanner throughout.
- Restore the water slowly and check.Open the valve gradually, then check by hand and with dry paper after ten minutes and again after an hour.
Tips
- Two spanners, always. Tightening a compression nut with one spanner twists the pipework and starts leaks elsewhere.
- Keep a few olives in 15mm and 22mm in the toolbox. They cost pennies and are the part you always need.
- A pipe end cut with a hacksaw is rarely square enough. Use a pipe slice.
Common mistakes
- Tightening progressively harder until it stops — Past about one and a quarter turns the olive is fully crushed. Further tightening extrudes it, distorts the seat and can split the nut, and the joint then leaks permanently.
- Reusing the old olive on a remade joint — It has already been crushed to the shape of the old fitting and the old position on the pipe. It will not conform to a new seat and will weep.
If it doesn't work
Slow weep on a new joint
Cause: Slightly under-tightened — Fix: One quarter turn with two spanners.
Weep persists after tightening
Cause: Damaged olive, scored pipe or unsquare cut — Fix: Take it apart, cut a clean square end, fit a new olive.
Weep got worse after tightening
Cause: Olive over-crushed — Fix: Remake the joint with a new olive; the old one is finished.
Nut splits
Cause: Badly overtightened, or a poor quality fitting — Fix: Isolate immediately and replace the whole fitting.
Questions people ask
Should I use PTFE tape on a compression joint?
It is not needed on a sound joint, since the olive seals metal to metal. A couple of turns round the olive, or a smear of jointing compound, is a common and accepted way of helping a marginal joint seat.
How tight is tight enough?
As a rule of thumb, hand tight then about one and a quarter turns on 15mm copper. Support the fitting with a second spanner and stop at the first sign of real resistance.